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[00:00:14] Sheryl: [00:00:14] Welcome to hearts of gold. Today. We have Sabrina with us. Hi Sabrina.
[00:00:19] Sabrina: [00:00:19] Hi.
[00:00:21] Sheryl: [00:00:21] Can you tell us about your girl scout gold award project?
[00:00:24] Sabrina: [00:00:24] Yeah, so my project is speech for success and I. I’m very much into public speaking. It actually started in kindergarten when I first joined girl Scouts and simply I was very quiet.
[00:00:38] I was very shy. My teachers had a hard time getting me to talk in class. And when joining girl Scouts by asking, would you like to buy a box of girl scout cookies? I sort of developed a public speaking public speaking skills. And in middle school I joined my school speech and debate team. I was a part of the first team we had.
[00:00:54] And then when I went to high school, I, once again joined, I made it, I was the first freshmen from my school to make it to speech and debate nationals. And while I was there, I saw that categories very popular categories were male dominated, including the category I was competing in. There was around. I was in where I was the only female presenting person in the room.
[00:01:13] And that kind of surprised me. I was, I was a little, I was surprised. And so that inspired me to make a women’s center. Speech and debate mate. And so speech for success was born in Dallas, at nationals. And my coach, my speech and debate coach is also a girl scout leader, not my girl scout leader, but is also one.
[00:01:31] And so she was like, make it your goal. And that’s how that happens. So this year, sorry, 2020. We put that together. It is the first ever girl centric meet, even though there have been boys centric meets. And we hosted it virtually. I actually got quarantined did the day before I was able to do my meet, so I had to do it completely virtually from a separate location from my coach and the tabulation team.
[00:01:57] And I plan on doing again this year, this fall, and hopefully in person. So it will be both the first virtual girls centric me as well as the first in-person girl centric meet, which is very exciting.
[00:02:08] Sheryl: [00:02:08] What kind of feedback did you get from the girls to participate?
[00:02:11] Sabrina: [00:02:11] I did it early enough in the season that it could still be novice and varsity.
[00:02:16] Cause that’s how speech and debate is split up. It’s usually point-based sometimes it’s just based on your grade because in speech and debate, you earn points that follow you through your lifetime. And so there were some people I knew who had earned a bunch of points in middle school. And because I was, I had novices point based, they were sort of pushed into varsity and they were like, I’m a freshman.
[00:02:37] I just was really, really active my middle school year. And now I’m in varsity. And so as someone who did a middle school, speech and debate, and then went on into it in high school, it is, there is some obvious differences. And so I imagine that being able to more easily sort that out would better those girls who are coming in as freshmen with a lot of points, but no high school experience and speech and debate.
[00:02:58] So that helped as well as learning more about the tabulation system. It was very unfamiliar to all of us virtually to run familiar to all of us. I hosted this in like October, November. And so at that point we were like, yeah, by January, we’ll have in in-person meets. And then I think a couple of weeks later they announced that nationals would also be online that year.
[00:03:19] And so. We all sort of like very abruptly had to learn this new system. Including me with my system that I was using, I was originally planning on using a completely different tabulation system. But unfortunately, because of COVID they had to shut down. So we had to move to a new one.
[00:03:34] Sheryl: [00:03:34] What are the biggest differences when you do a debate virtually versus in-person?
[00:03:39] Sabrina: [00:03:39] I think one of the biggest differences, which is why I really want to do this meet in person is the comradery you are waiting. You are in a speech meet from 6:00 AM. That’s when you get on the bus at your school and leave and go to meet until after dinner, after 6:00 PM. And you’re not actually speaking for 12 hours, you’re probably only speaking for about an hour.
[00:03:59] You have maybe four rounds with maybe 10 minutes of speaking. And all that downtime is time that you are with your team time you’re with other competitors and you learn a lot from each other. And that comradery is why I wanted to make my meat for women and gender non-conforming station. To be able to come together, have one place where, because all of us have stories of, oh, I was the only girl in my round.
[00:04:22] Oh, I got talked over during this round. Man, this was around full of girls and the guy got first. And so to be able to come together with all those stories and to really bond and sort of create a speech and debate sisterhood, that’s what I wanted. And unfortunately, because it was virtual that really can’t be achieved, like it can in person.
[00:04:42] So that I think was the major difference, which is why I’m so glad I fundraised enough to be able to do it again this year. And hopefully in person. Because that’s what I wanted. I wanted you to walk into your round and it to be just all women and wonderful and just happy that you’re there with people who have similarities.
[00:05:02] Sheryl: [00:05:02] When you speak about the camaraderie that you build, when you have in-person events, who are some of the people that you’ve met and built relationships with from previous years?
[00:05:11] Sabrina: [00:05:11] Even just on my team, my very best friend, we really met and bonded through speech and debate. She’s absolutely my best friend.
[00:05:18] She actually helped me with this meet. She’s not a girl scout herself, but she was definitely my core volunteer. But I think beyond that, some of my fellow competitors and speech and debate is. First day of freshman year and your last day of senior year. So you have a lot of people coming in. And I know people who were much older than me who were admiring others, whether it is my skillset, whether it’s just the dress I’m wearing the day I’m competing.
[00:05:44]So coming together with things like that at nationals me and my team, it was my team’s first, every year, my school’s first, every year going to nationals. I was the first ever freshmen to go. And so we all made it a goal that each of us wanted to find someone from 50 states from all 50 states we went to.
[00:05:59] And so. We, I made that my goal and I was sitting in a hallway and I was like, yeah, I haven’t met anyone from Hawaii and a guy down the hall was like, I’m from Hawaii. And I’m like, perfect. You’re my, you’re my number 48. Like there we go. And so just little things like that, where I was like, I finally met someone from Hawaii.
[00:06:15] I can stick it to my team. I got the first, the first person to 50 people, things like that. Just in passing in rounds. There are like, absolutely been a moment where like someone is competing in I’m in speech mostly. And so there’ll be a debate round next door. And we’ll sort of, I mean, you’re in a classroom, the walls can end up kind of Finn.
[00:06:35] And if you sit in the back, you’ll sometimes hear the person next door. And in some events, people scream and in some events, people are much quieter, but you can still kind of hear them and sort of exit around. Mix it around and then to be like, Hey, where are you? Were you the one that was screaming? And just little moments like that, that have really made my speech and debate career.
[00:06:54] The sort of things that I do. I always, I love, I’m like, oh, I love going to this meet because this school is the only time we ever see this school. And there’s so much fun to hang out with.
[00:07:03] Sheryl: [00:07:03] Competing locally, regionally versus nationally, what was that national debate? How was that, debate and speech and debate conference different than your regular school year round events?
[00:07:17] Sabrina: [00:07:17] The style, the event I’m currently in was brand new to Indiana my freshman year. No one really knew what it was or what it should look like. And so when by going to the national stage, you get to see the final rounds. You get to see the top six people in that category, a category, none of us have any idea about, and to watch that.
[00:07:35] That’s what that can be. It’s sort of learning about the different ways that people do things a completely different interpretation. And so that was, that’s the main difference. Just stylistically watching people do things a completely different way from you. It’s great for learning. It’s very entertaining.
[00:07:52]And like some categories are offered at the national level, but they are offered locally. So there’s one storytelling where you convey a, like a children’s book. You take five minutes to do it. You have to use a chair, things like that. It’s. Oh, weird category. And it only happens at nationals and I love doing it.
[00:08:11] I’m like, Hey, I can finally perform green eggs and ham a book. I’ve been reading my entire life or, Hey, this is a very relevant book to life right now. So I would like to perform that. And at nationals, you’re able to do that at Indiana. No, one’s offering that. So you are able to do that. And actually because of the virtual season, we were able to go, I competed in Kentucky, virtually.
[00:08:32]We did. My team did one Chicago or like Northern Indiana, Chicago, which normally financially for my team or just time-wise wouldn’t we wouldn’t be able to do that. So to have a virtual year, I got to expand and branch out more.
[00:08:46] Sheryl: [00:08:46] You spoke about fundraising and in support of your event, can you tell us how you fundraised and what those funds paid for?
[00:08:54] Sabrina: [00:08:54] I asked people to buy a round. So speech and debate is running rounds, and I wanted people to sponsor events. So I reached out on social media to local businesses, to speech and debate alumni people that I knew from speech and debate in speech and debate in girl Scouts. And for $5 they could buy a single round.
[00:09:13] And for 20 they could sponsor an entire category. I was completely fundraised within about an hour. So the funding for that for buying around. In the virtual season, we had to pay to pay to play. We had to pay to compete. Which has never happened in Indiana. It’s usually free. There are some meats where obviously it isn’t there.
[00:09:35] Some special meets where it isn’t, but in Indiana, it usually is. And this year it was different. And I didn’t want a financial, I don’t want there to be a financial block for any student. So if I can make it free, I wanted to, and that would the money paid for tabulations to run the system tabulation system, which is a cost per entry per round.
[00:09:55] So that as I was getting more students to come in, I think I ended up with over a hundred entries. Each of those entries cost me money in each of those rounds that those entries did. And then. Ribbons. I’m always, I really like having ribbons and because of the virtual season, we really didn’t have them this year, but I, I really wanted to do it.
[00:10:16] And I worked with a local gift and trophy company and they developed, they did ribbons for actually neighboring school. And they were like, Hey, this is what we did for them. And it was exactly perfect. What I needed for mine. I did ribbons for the top 10 competitors. I did ribbons for any girl scout who was participating.
[00:10:34]They could submit that if they were girl Scouts. So every girl scout got a participatory ribbon, and then I was able to make enough money. I was able to. Next year, this year’s ribbons and trophies for the top team, which was something I didn’t imagine I could do. And I was able to do it. And I’m very, very happy with that.
[00:10:51] Sheryl: [00:10:51] What is your favorite memory from your project?
[00:10:53] Sabrina: [00:10:53] I think inspiration where it came from being at nationals and seeing this and getting kind of like riled up and like kind of angry. How you’re at the final stage, you’re at the top six competitors and none of them are girls. What do you mean? And to see the people around me be like, yeah, that it, like what?
[00:11:09] And just sort of all season long, I’m in a male dominated category. And so all season I was like, I’m the one girl in the room? Or there was like another girl. I was like, oh my gosh. And we would both sort of like talk about. They interrupt us. They they, we have very respectful competitors, but you don’t always have respectful competitors sort of build into that.
[00:11:28] I can say that in retrospect, finding out I was quarantined the day before I was literally in school talking to my coach. Who’s also my micro scout and sponsor and her phone in her classroom rang and she picked it up and then she. You need to stand in the hallway. And I was like, why? We were so confused.
[00:11:50] And then one of the assistant principals came down and he’s like the angel of death for a school. Like he comes and he grabs everyone when they’re quarantined. I was just like, oh, this couldn’t have waited until Monday because my speech was run on a Saturday. And I was in school on a Friday. I was like, this couldn’t have waited till Monday.
[00:12:07] Could it. And I was not allowed to be in the school property. I was not allowed to. Go into any school events, including my own meet. It was already virtual at that point, but I was still expecting to be with my volunteers. So we had to run, like at one point I had like three zooms open to like the team, the tabulation, and then like, like sort of like a judges meeting room.
[00:12:31] And I was just like, this is not how I expected it to go. But in retrospect, it, it went fine. It went well. And that prepared me to be quarantined. I was, I did not expect to get quarantine most, especially that day. That was the most inconvenient quarantine ever.
[00:12:46] Sheryl: [00:12:46] What did you learn from having to have three zoom meetings running at the same time?
[00:12:50] Sabrina: [00:12:50] I learned how to be organized. I think throughout this meet all of these obstacles that came up, sort of learning how to problem solve them because, you know, June of 2019 when I was first getting this idea, it was, I mean, of course we didn’t even know what a virtual event was. Little of COVID. And then as we moved into June of 2020, where it’s, Hey, it’s going to be this upcoming season.
[00:13:13] That’s what I want to do. It was, well, do we have a backup? Like if it ends up being virtual, how are we going to do that? What’s the, what’s the money difference on that? And by by August, we, we knew it would be full virtual. So to be able to sort of prepare your expectations, because obviously what I planned in June of 2019 did not execute in November of 2020 to be able to plan your expectations, to be able to stay organized.
[00:13:42] It was, Hey, this was the original. Let’s keep moving through it and to be able to problem solve, if anything were to happen to my, to my gold award, of course I get quarantined the day before. Like that was just like another thing where I was like, I guess, I guess. And so having to move through that and navigate that taught me a lot about organization, as well as like my own ability to be like, all right, let it happen..
[00:14:04] Sheryl: [00:14:04] So excluding the need to pivot because of quarantine and COVID both of those, you had two different major pivots. What did you learn as you went through the gold award process that you could share with others to encourage them through the process?
[00:14:18] Sabrina: [00:14:18] Is kind of unrelated to my project.
[00:14:20] It’s just about sort of any big commitment that you’re doing is to stay on top of it and to stay organized. That helped me through like having, I was in a hybrid schedule at my school. So having half of my year virtual, I have to say self motivated. I have to stay on top of my assignments when there’s no one, you know, down my shoulder, gold awards are largely.
[00:14:42] Self-sufficient not quite independent because you’re obviously supposed to be a leader of a team. But to be able to be able to lead yourself, you can then lead others. And so beyond what happened with COVID and my gold award, to be able to have enough confidence in myself, my ability. To be able to problem solve all of these things, attributed to me being able to being able to and keep my sanity when doing so complete my gold award.
[00:15:07] Sheryl: [00:15:07] In addition to now being a girl, the word girl scout and receiving recognition from that. When you were younger, you also receive some recognition from another activity. Can you tell us about that?
[00:15:19] Sabrina: [00:15:19] I completely attributed this to girl stout as well because without selling cookies as a kindergartener, I would not have enough confidence to be on the food network.
[00:15:29] I was on the food network in 2015 through about 2018. I was on three different shows, Rachel rays, kid, Rachel raise kids. Cook-off beat Bobby Flay as a judge, and then an episode of guy’s grocery games. And those have been amazing life changing experiences. And I really, I could not have done it without the confidence that girl Scouts gave me.
[00:15:50] And I have said this. Every audition. Every interview there was, they’re always like, oh, you’re in front of a camera. How are you going to? When I was very little, when I first auditioned at 11 years old, they said, are you nervous around cameras? And I said, probably, probably not. I’m probably not. I’m very good at talking.
[00:16:08] I’m very, I like to do this and you’re a child. How do you, how do you do that? Most children are very shy or very reserved, or when they’re talking, if they’re talking with their friends and I said, even then, On that audition. I said it was girl Scouts without asking. Would you like to buy a box of girl scout cookies to thousands of strangers to try to reach my goal of a thousand cookies?
[00:16:30] I would not have public speaking skills like I do now.
[00:16:33] Sheryl: [00:16:33] What is something that you learn by being on the food network programs that you didn’t know about television?
[00:16:38] Sabrina: [00:16:38] How much behind the scenes there is, especially because I started at such a young age, the sort of the TV magic was still there. And so there was like two judges and I was making four plates and that had to be explained to me.
[00:16:50] So things like that. And like I had to learn like what a call time was or had to be explained to me that no, that you don’t eat the food immediately. There’s like the judge gets the food an hour later and you just have to hope that the gravy holds. I do food very well as a kid. And so to be able to apply it into that sense, it’s a little bit different.
[00:17:10] It’s not just knowing food, it’s knowing how food keeps lasts looks. So sort of expanding my knowledge on food as well as industry and public speaking. Public speaking again.
[00:17:22] Sheryl: [00:17:22] What tips do you have for us at home cooks?
[00:17:25] Sabrina: [00:17:25] Don’t be afraid to try new things. I was, I am often asked this question of like, what advice do you have for kids?
[00:17:31] And for me, it it’s, don’t be afraid to try new things. My first recipe was a. Put it in the pot, stick it in the oven, leave it alone. And that developed into sort of a, an, a skill S skills that for me, but it took me, I was making bourbon glazed pork chops before I knew how to properly frightened egg. So being able to sort of find, engage where your skillsets at, like maybe you’re not going to making scrambled eggs.
[00:17:59] I still do not like my family knows my brother makes good scramble. I do not. And so being able to know that about yourself, but know, Hey, I can make, I can make a pretty good Philemon Yon. I can make a really great. So being able to sort of gauge where your skillsets at, I’m constantly looking to try new things.
[00:18:18] I mostly focused on American or French cooking when I was younger and now I’m much more interested in vegan and Eastern cooking. And so letting yourself change and letting your. Grow and develop. And I’ve had some failed recipes. I’ve had some terrible recipes. I of course, made bread all throughout quarantine, like most everyone else.
[00:18:38] And I had some bread that did not turn out, but my friend told me it bad bread makes a good crew. So I think if I can give any advice, a bad bread will still make a good curtain. So applying that to cooking.
[00:18:52]Sheryl: [00:18:52] How do you decide what to make when you’re given a few ingredients and no other directions?
[00:18:57] Sabrina: [00:18:57] I do what I want.
[00:18:58]If I’m given, you know, a pasta and a tomato, I’m probably going to be making a tomato sauce, my favorite tomato sauce. I want to do what I want. And so whatever inspires me from those ingredients. Yeah. If I’m given a random set of ingredients and like one of them happens to be something I’m craving, that’s going to be the star of the dish.
[00:19:15] Sheryl: [00:19:15] What other girl scout experiences have you had?
[00:19:17]Sabrina: [00:19:17] Like many girls I want us to advantage trip.
[00:19:19]I’ve also had some very unique experiences in 2016. I actually moved and it was no longer easy or I was no longer able to go to my previous troop. So I also had to move troops completely. So there were these girls.
[00:19:32] I was growing up from kindergarten until I think that point was sixth grade from kindergarten to sixth grade. And then I suddenly had to. Completely go to a different troop, which then brought me new and different opportunities. And some of my great friends now, every girl goes to Savannah, but not every girl has experienced as a whole life gets uplifted.
[00:19:50] And now I have a completely different group of friends, actually two weeks ago. I was in Puerto Rico on a girl scout trip. We originally were planning for Europe because of COVID that wasn’t an option. But we changed gears and we went to Puerto Rico and actually, because. The cost difference in a two week European trip compared to a one week Puerto Rican trip, we were all able to afford cameras.
[00:20:12] So now we’re all going into college with just very, very basic cameras, but we’re going in with that new skill level. And we also got our senior pictures taken there. So that was a little like bonus surprise. And I’m also been a delegate for girl Scouts. I am currently a delegate for girl Scouts. I was in the 2020s.
[00:20:29] I was in the 20, 21 session that happened earlier this year. What did you learn from being a delegate? I learned patience from being a delegate. It was virtual, like many things. It was supposed to be in Orlando, which included a day at Disney. And then it was virtual is, and I’m so sorry. That was October of 2020.
[00:20:49] That was early this year. So learning patients, it was, I think, 30 hours of zoom calls. And before one of the sessions I had to take the act, which is a standardized test that you use for college admissions and things. So I like that walk out of the act, which is a very like grueling tests. I had a friend who was like, yeah, I canceled my plans for the entire day, that day.
[00:21:11] And then he had to go and be in delegate until about midnight that day. So I learned sort of patience and how to sort of pace myself. I want to pay attention. And a lot of the bills that were discussed would be relevant to me as an older girl scout, which I was very, very interested in advocating for, because as you get older, sometimes it seems it teeters out with how many things that you can do.
[00:21:31]And so to see them so interested in providing more activities for us older girls, I was very excited. It was very invested.
[00:21:37] Sheryl: [00:21:37] You mentioned that you moved after sixth grade. Sixth grade is a year, fifth and sixth grade are years where a lot of girls leave girl Scouts. What motivated you when you moved to find a new troop and what should girls consider as to why they should continue to stay in girl Scouts?
[00:21:57] Even if they don’t move a lot of times schools change. And so your group, your troops change because of school changes or other activities. What what’s your girls think about?
[00:22:07] Sabrina: [00:22:07] I think the only thing, every single girl in my girl scout troop went to the same school was the first year, kindergarten. After that we had girls who would go into like a different school in the same district, but a different school.
[00:22:18]And then as we reached middle school, we were all in different schools. When I moved, I was the only one from my area. They were in the same council as me, but I was the only one who went to my school. And even now in high school, we go to three different high school. Overall we’re like less than 10 miles apart from one another, sticking it out.
[00:22:34] I definitely think it’s worth it. I think the benefits are there because I have an amazing group of friends that I go to. I have, we do Monday meetings and so I just started my school week and now I get to go to girls. It creates a bit of a schedule for yourself. It creates a bit of a rhythm to get into as well as the things that the, just the patches alone teach us.
[00:22:53] I know at the sixth grade level there are, is I TJ cooking, badge the cooking badge for that one. And that is my favorite cooking badge to teach because I think it’s the most interesting out of all the cooking badges that I do teach. And so I think sticking it out for the patches and the people that you’re with because you can learn so much.
[00:23:08] I think sixth grade is when they’re first budgeting badges, which is to budget, like how to buy your car or something. If I, if I recall correctly, it could be like a vacation thing. So these life skills that girl Scouts is willingly giving you is something that many schools don’t have the opportunities to do.
[00:23:23] My the school I moved from did not have any college or career readiness classes in the school I’m currently at does, but without girl Scouts, I wouldn’t have some of the background knowledge that I have. To go into those classes. We were doing career readiness and budgeting classes, patches in girl Scouts before I did them in school.
[00:23:41] And so I think staying for the life lessons, staying for the people that you meet, that is something I would absolutely recommend. And often I’m like, it’s funny. I, I had a. Two degree. It was two degrees outside. I had a cookie booth and then we had our meeting, I think the next day. And I was like, I am so tired.
[00:24:01] Oh. And it was finals week. And I was like, I’m so tired. I’m so done. But I get to go see my friends and girl Scouts and that made it worth it.
[00:24:09] Sheryl: [00:24:09] Did you happen to do the sew what journey and if so, what did you do?
[00:24:13] Sabrina: [00:24:13] We ended up talking about that one is very much based. Gardening and very, very relevant topics too, like ethical sourcing of food.
[00:24:23] And obviously I love it all about culinary and things like that. So that one was very interesting. I was very interested in that and it turns out so as the rest of my troops, so we all did it together. Which that was like, that was my jam. Like w when we did that, I was like, yes, food. And so to discuss these things, Being in the culinary industry I hear a lot about, and I didn’t realize that it would be a new topic for them.
[00:24:48] Discussion of like, what’s your states, like just some questionnaire, things like what’s your state number one product. And I know that duck, Indiana is the number one producer of duck and they had no idea. And so things like that, that I had a lot of insight going into it made it really, really fun for me.
[00:25:03] We ended up doing a sort of a presentation project on, we split it up with one another and I think I ended up doing kind of like milk alternatives because I’m lactose intolerant. And so basically looked like what goes in your coffee cup? Can end up not helping you or can end up doing amazing things and sort of like a, where it comes from in the earth and where it ends up in you.
[00:25:25] Sheryl: [00:25:25] I’m in rural Wisconsin and the girls love that journey here. They often do. We have a lot of organic farms. We have a lot of CS A’s around here. So there’s lots of opportunities to put different spins on that journey. It’s, it’s, it’s our favorite journey to do it in this area.
[00:25:40]Sabrina: [00:25:40] I really enjoyed it. And I know people who are like in four H and one of the girls, dad is a restaurant owner and like a chef at a restaurant.
[00:25:47] So from all these different perspectives coming in, it was a lot of fun to do. Where are you going in your future? I’m currently a senior in high school. I actually earlier this month I applied to the university of Alabama. So I’m waiting to hear back from them. I hope to. Continuous speech and debate into college.
[00:26:04]And I hope to get a degree in astronomy, which is food science, food, history, food media. So all the things that I’m very, very interested in in learning and then food sort of coming together at that and hopefully getting a master’s degree in it.
[00:26:18] Sheryl: [00:26:18] Is there anything else you’d like to share with the audience?
[00:26:20] Sabrina: [00:26:20] I think there’s a lot of pressure behind doing a gold, silver, bronze award. Of like having a project that’s big enough or exciting enough for world changing and things like that. And while those are important sort of goals to have, for me, it just started as this is something I’m interested in for my silver award, which I did independently for my silver award.
[00:26:40] Self-published a little like book kind of like a cookbook, but it’s basically just a cookbook pamphlet. And that just started as, this is something I’m interested in. This is something I want to do. This is something I want to share. I think the importance of sharing your interest should absolutely be a concept that’s explored in gold, silver, and bronze awards.
[00:26:59] It shouldn’t just be a. This would be helpful, or this would be life-changing or world changing. I think it should be something that you are truly invested in, because if you’re putting all these hours into it, it should be something you love.
[00:27:11] Sheryl: [00:27:11] How do you make your smores?
[00:27:13]Sabrina: [00:27:13] I liked burnt marshmallows. I like the, like the outside to me,
[00:27:17] absolutely like carbonized black, little bit of chocolate, you know, I will like split up a Graham cracker. I don’t really have some words that often. The burnt marshmallow is 110%, like the main part of it. Then there’s like some chocolate and Graham cracker, but I really do. I like burnt marshmallows. Like if it can be like a small torch, that’s what I’m happy with.
[00:27:37] Sheryl: [00:27:37] Well, thanks for joining us this week.
[00:27:39] Sabrina: [00:27:39] Of course. Thank you for having me.
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